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Want peace? Prepare to be arrested..

I know the world is one major messed up place when people who want PEACE get arrested and people who KILL people get medals*

*Before you start - This is not against the brave soldiers of each country around the world fighting. They are just used, manipulated and played with, like you and I would do with toy soldiers. War does not in any way benefit you and me. (If you can think of a reason please let me know and enlighten me). Until we ALL wake up and refuse to kill each other - then the cycle of war,death and destruction will carry on.

Goering said it best:
Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger.


A mum called Cindy Sheeham got herself arrested for wanting peace.Unfortunately the war in Iraq has hit her personally as she lost her son.
She was arrested just outside the White House for 'obstructing a government function' i.e. they don't want any bad publicity especially during the mid-term elections.

Hold on - the first amendment states:



Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

She never broke this amendment so why is she being arrested??

Does anyone agree with her being arrested?

She was airing her grievances and where better than outside the presidential residence. If the government refuses to hear our problems, refuses to acknowledge or even arrest anybody that disagrees with it's policies - then that it is not a democracy!

The U.S. government time and time again has ignored the constitution. I thought when the president was sworn in, he/she was supposed to uphold - not destroy the constituion !

i.e. 'Patriot' Act and Military Commissions Act (good article)

What hope do we have when governments can seemingly do what they want and we have no say? We just have to pay our taxes and follow orders..welcome to imperialism.


Original article

Peace Mom Sheehan Arrested in Washington

By DERRILL HOLLY
The Associated Press
Wednesday, November 8, 2006; 11:20 PM

WASHINGTON -- Activist Cindy Sheehan was arrested Wednesday as she led about 50 protesters to a White House gate Wednesday to deliver anti-war petitions she said were signed by 80,000 Americans.

The Berkeley, Calif., woman, whose son was killed in Iraq more than two years ago, was arrested along with three other women on the sidewalk outside the White House gate, said Lt. Scott Fear, a U.S. Park Police spokesman. They were charged with interfering with a government function after they blocked the gate and ignored orders to move, he said.

Before she was arrested, she joined the protesters in hailing the outcome of Tuesday's elections and chanting "Stop the War" outside the gate.

"It was taking too long for them to decide whether to accept them or not, so we just delivered them," said Sheehan, who waited about 15 minutes with other protesters before tossing the petitions over the fence.

The petitions opposed use of military force to resolve the dispute over Iran's nuclear program.

Sheehan, 49, and other grieving families met with Bush about two months after her son died, before reports of faulty prewar intelligence surfaced and caused her to speak out. She has tried repeatedly to speak with the president again, including a 26-day vigil last year outside Bush's ranch in Crawford, Texas.

Wednesday's protest came as Republicans lost control of the House and the White House announced the resignation of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

"He's being offered as a sacrificial lamb," Sheehan said.

Your position that "wars dont help anybody? is ridiculous. War is a tragic necessity, you could be living under the Nazi jack boot right now without it.
Onto Sheehan. While she is well within her rights to protest, she is not within her rights to impede others, i.e. the govt function in this case. Exercising your rights is permissable if and only if your are not violating others rights. In this case she was, so she was arrested. Do a little research.

That is exactly his point. If one could think clearly as a human can think, there would not be fascism, communism, or even 'PATRIOTISM' in the first place - and, while there would be the Hitlers and the Bushs of the world, there would not be a army willing to be sacrificed and willing to sacrifice -MOSTLY innocent people - in the name of anything. The Hitlers of the world -will always exist, but I refused to believe that mankind is evil - it is only so when blindlly lied to and manipulated by the so called leaders. Utopia can be reached but we, as humans, can only get there if we bealieve so.
I hope all the mothers and fathers of soldiers can tell their 'kids' (men and women so brave that cannot see the real meaning of peace) to stop and think through what the cause they are fighting for is- How will you - the brave soldier - wake up tomorrow and the rest of your life when you know that you have killed an innocent person, child, man, women in the name of place whatever you want here?
People have said that freedom is not free. Think again - FREEDOM is FREE; it is just like a smile, a act of love, a helping hand, a kind word, a hug, a caring act for those who need help - All of these are free, and are the basis of freedom.
Peace to the world.
-harringf

"War does not in any way benefit you and me. (If you can think of a reason please let me know and enlighten me)."

What -- haven't you ever heard of "empire expansion"?

Getting arrested is the ONLY way an individual person can effectively protest. One person stating their view will be ignored by the media and the populace unless they ARE arrested. This is part of the definitition of "civil disobedience".

Blacknote-

I get you point on the 2nd WW. This however could of been easily avoided.

a) The treaty of Versailles disadvantaged Germany so much that their economy went belly up. They had to hyper inflate their currency to pay for their reparations. Pretty much every German citizen was destitute and their savings were worthless (i.e. destruction of the middle class).

b) Being human they wanted somebody to blame. Hitler stole his way into power by the burning of the Reichstag where he blamed the Commies and later blamed the Jews for the economy.

c) germany were skint, yet they still managed to build a massive army. How? Well ask George Bushes Grandad since he helped finance them. If these US banks and others hadn't financed the German warmachine then the war simply couldn't of happened. Remember Germany did not have many natural resouces, and the rest of europe let them invade Czechoslovakia knowing full well they had the most efficient factories (Skoda) for building arms/ammo.

War can be easily avoided, they needed the people on their side to make war. This is something as humans we have to avoid. War is simply a way of making the certain individuals rich (Banks who finance the wars, they usually finance both sides as in WW2. Corportions who make the weapons etc)

As in WW2 millions upon millions lost their lives for what? Nobody gained anything infact most people lost relatives etc. The only people that gained were the bankers etc.


Kaitoi-

Empire building does not have an impact on you and me. Exactly how do we benefit?

And a second point - In recent wars since 1900 there has hardly been any territorial gains at all! Germany in still Germany , Russia is still Russia etc etc. There has practically zero land transfer at all so nobody has built an empire

It seems that all parties are either ignoring or scared to face the problem if illegal immigration
in the United Kingdom. While most of undocumented immigrants are hiding and living in misery, J Reid and
L. Burn are pretending to be in control of the situation. This inertia is will only benefit scrupulous employers

So far we have been listening only to right wing parties and think tanks. That's the reason why I decided to
launch the survey at http://www.skillipedia.com to hear opinions from normal people. Once we get enough coverage
from the press we will be able to relay the result of the survey to the Home Office

You opinion is much appreciated

It seems that all parties are either ignoring or scared to face the problem if illegal immigration
in the United Kingdom. While most of undocumented immigrants are hiding and living in misery, J Reid and
L. Burn are pretending to be in control of the situation. This inertia is will only benefit scrupulous employers

So far we have been listening only to right wing parties and think tanks. That's the reason why I decided to
launch the survey at http://www.skillipedia.com to hear opinions from normal people. Once we get enough coverage
from the press we will be able to relay the result of the survey to the Home Office

You opinion is much appreciated

although my country is not perfect, I do like it pretty well. I am an avid outdoorsman and do enjoy the wild open spaces where i go to hunt and fish, camp etc. I carry my arms for pleasure and for security reasons. This is a RIGHT that is specified in the second amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America. some have said that war serves no purpose,or something to that effect, I beg to differ. The Revolutionary war served to create this country despite Englands best efforts to keep us under her rule, so the idea that war serves no purpose is false. War serves the purpose of the victor. With that in mind I hope that my country will be the victor in any war that we engage in so that I may be able to continue to enjoy my open spaces and outdoor traditions. Howeverthat is not to say that I believe that the politicians are doing a good job of protecting my rights, they are not. The problem is not war but which ideas will be promoted by society. There are conservative and liberal values and any more they are being confused.As I understand it the conservative wants to "conserve" his individual rights while the liberal is willing and/or wanting to to "liberaly allow" the government to control/dictate/tax the citizens to thier own ends. It seems to me obvious that conservatism is the only way to go, unless someone out there knows of an example of government doing a real good job of anything other than wasting money. The truth to me is that we need REAL conservatives to to bring back real conservative values to America [and the world] and lets have a true free market to allow hard working entrpreneurs to break the stranglehold that the existing corporate monopolies have and return the promise that america once held back to the citizens. When this happens the reality that conservatism is the ONLY option for sustaing a free society the world will WANT to follow suit and emulate us.AS things are now with my country moving rapidly away from conservatism[even though most Americans are conservative]I really can't blame anyone from doubting the motives behind the actions of the GOVERNMENT of the U.S.ofA. I certainly am.I propose that all people who believe in freedom as outlined in founding ducuments of the U.S.A. quit fighting each other over letters like D and R and cut thruogh the confusion over liberal v conservative. THERE ARE NO CONSERVATIVES IN THE GOVERNMENT. atleast not more than a couple at most.there ARE however millions of liberals as demonstrated by all the posts by the people that hate and see evil in everything. That is such typical liberal victimhood.It is an easy trap to fall into when frustration overtakes and causes one to throw up thier hands in disgust,please fight the evil and fight the good fight, lets begin to demand the return of true conservative values to the government and lets start enjoying our freedom without the fear of seeing it all being taken away by the the likes of GB,BC,GB1,evenRR,JC

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